Submitted by DJDevon3 (not verified) on 1 September, 2006 - 21:01.
Spot on. I think the current CSS model or even 2.0 sucks. I was used to table design long before CSS was available. I use CSS now and am descent enough to do what I need with it but like you I stil use tables because building with divs and spans is far to complicated. Absolute and relative positioning seems like it was created specifically for dreamweaver or other types of wysiwig programs. I've only used it in a few instances and it's hardly something I need.
The W3C are indeed a bunch of engineers and not designers. I think they build the code just to serve their own dinky little projects like hmmm why can't I get this in position A. Oh I know, I'll just write it into HTML 4.0 yey! Seriously though, CSS2 implementation isn't going to impress me much. I'm waiting around for something that will act like tables such as the div style: table mentioned above or anything equivilent. All designers are used to tables but even tables are badly flawed in some browser such as there is no 100% height or autoflow height. I would much rather have them fix the existing issues and move on from there instead of switching up the code on me every year and I have to relearn how to write html or css.
Yes, I agree that CSS provides an excellent feature set to accompany HTML. Holding style information to be reused and recalled more efficiently will make the world a better place but it has to be done right and currently it's not right. I'm frustrated on a daily basis with illogical names of attributes mostly. Like background-color, background-image, background. Who cares! Just make it 1 thing, background! Period, done, finish, nothing more to see here. All inclusive tags are what made html so great. Hmmm and another one CENTER. How much more complicated do you want to make it for newbies trying to center something. They are going to deprecate center omg. That was the easiest tag in the world next to br. Now I'm going to have to do text-align: center; in css. These are the frustrations of myself and all designers the world over. I'm not normally negative but when it comes to the W3C running my coding life I want to throw a lemming off a cliff. I'm sure you're frustrations are the same which is what prompted you to write that article. Do you think they hear us or are they just doing their own thing with disregard. I mean what can we really do about it other than voice our opinions and frustrations. If they want to ignore they can easily do it because after all they are making the standards not us. I would like to take a ruler to every W3C members hands and ask them what the heck they were thinking when they came out with transitional code. I'm tired of transitional just give me the good stuff. The stuff we all want and deserve and that will take the web to the next level.
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Spot on. I think the current CSS model or even 2.0 sucks. I was used to table design long before CSS was available. I use CSS now and am descent enough to do what I need with it but like you I stil use tables because building with divs and spans is far to complicated. Absolute and relative positioning seems like it was created specifically for dreamweaver or other types of wysiwig programs. I've only used it in a few instances and it's hardly something I need.
The W3C are indeed a bunch of engineers and not designers. I think they build the code just to serve their own dinky little projects like hmmm why can't I get this in position A. Oh I know, I'll just write it into HTML 4.0 yey! Seriously though, CSS2 implementation isn't going to impress me much. I'm waiting around for something that will act like tables such as the div style: table mentioned above or anything equivilent. All designers are used to tables but even tables are badly flawed in some browser such as there is no 100% height or autoflow height. I would much rather have them fix the existing issues and move on from there instead of switching up the code on me every year and I have to relearn how to write html or css.
Yes, I agree that CSS provides an excellent feature set to accompany HTML. Holding style information to be reused and recalled more efficiently will make the world a better place but it has to be done right and currently it's not right. I'm frustrated on a daily basis with illogical names of attributes mostly. Like background-color, background-image, background. Who cares! Just make it 1 thing, background! Period, done, finish, nothing more to see here. All inclusive tags are what made html so great. Hmmm and another one CENTER. How much more complicated do you want to make it for newbies trying to center something. They are going to deprecate center omg. That was the easiest tag in the world next to br. Now I'm going to have to do text-align: center; in css. These are the frustrations of myself and all designers the world over. I'm not normally negative but when it comes to the W3C running my coding life I want to throw a lemming off a cliff. I'm sure you're frustrations are the same which is what prompted you to write that article. Do you think they hear us or are they just doing their own thing with disregard. I mean what can we really do about it other than voice our opinions and frustrations. If they want to ignore they can easily do it because after all they are making the standards not us. I would like to take a ruler to every W3C members hands and ask them what the heck they were thinking when they came out with transitional code. I'm tired of transitional just give me the good stuff. The stuff we all want and deserve and that will take the web to the next level.